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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 2855428" data-attributes="member: 172">What the heck is that supposed to mean?The DM has control of what level campaigns he wants to run and thus control over the CR of any entities he wants the PC to face (or not face) in play.Er, why can't they, again?Again, that does not follow. They deliberately made the starting point of all the demon lords above the starting point of any of the rank-and-file demons. If you have the ability to stengthen the rank-and-file demons for the purposes of your campaigns, then you have the ability to control the lords as well.You control the horizontal and the vertical...Leaving aside for the moment that the authors have shown up here and said otherwise, so this is an editorial omission if true: The book explicitly provides you with means to extend them. What are the enhanced stats supposed to represent? Demogorgon's and orcus' older brothers that drop by every once in a while to give them wedgies? No, I don't think so. The "true selves" are what the DM wants them to be. Which is as it should be.Sorry, I find this conclusion entirely illogical as well.If they provided no means to extend them, I might agree. But since they did, I must insist you are incorrect.That's an entirely false analogy. Leaving aside that it could be a first level air elemental fighter with the information you have given me, a first level fighter is a game mechanical qualification.</blockquote>