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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 2855681" data-attributes="member: 957">Fine, but I'm talking about whether or not the book appeals to me.I've already agreed multiple times that different stats may be used as the DM sees fit.  There is plenty of space between "literally divine" and lower CR than a Solar.No.  That L20 (pratical limit or not) is suddenly on the same par as a demon lord.  This is a change and it does not imply good things for future development nor does it support a system consistency.  You said that you would be complaining as well if this was supposed to be their true selves and not just on other planes.  Well, it has been stated that this is in fact the case.  Have you changed you mind since you made that statement?  I assure you that if further clarification comes along and it IS in there, then that will go a long way to improve my view of the product.  I was kinda hoping for a slightest less absurd response.If turning around your points on you means that I'm claiming to understand your stance better than you do, then clearly you must be saying that you understand mine better when you use those points against me.  No?  Of course not.  It would be absurd for me to claim such and it was absurd of you to do so.Ah, but you have also commented on the issue that a perfectly good samurai was displaced by the CW samurai, which is now the default D&D samurai.  Does the same not apply now to demon lords?  I can make Orcus be whatever I want.  But for future WotC products, modules, whatever, this is THE Orcus of D&D.  I agree with you that the various power level expectations of DMs can not be helped. Do you think there are DMs out there who actually want an official standard solar to be more powerful than official Orcus on his home plane?  Because if the audience drove this choice then that must be the audience.</blockquote>

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