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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 2856529" data-attributes="member: 172">Either you haven't read Dead Gods or you are hoping nobody else has.Orcus killed Maanzecorian (and other deities) with the Last Word. The current orcus does not have the last word. If he did, I doubt that his CR would be the same. This is an "author fiat" thing that should demonstrate how petty obsessing over CR is.By the operative laws in Dead Gods, yes, and Tenebrous was a fluke as stated.That has zero bearing on this.What's the spellcraft requirement for creating death knights?Don't bother looking; there isn't one.That's because this, like innumerable other factors, are not modeled directly by the mechanics. Perhaps Demogorgon being able to create death knights could only be done by a demon lord. Perhaps if Mordenkainen had a reason to, he could create a death knight. Perhaps the truth is Demogorgon had nothing to do with it. You make it out as if this is the inevitable conclusion. It is not. You are the GM. You control the horizontal and the vertical.If you are persisting as a D&D fan with the beleif that there should be some grand unified consistent canon, you are in for a life of disappointment. Where such bodies of creative works do exist, they are controlled by single creators or commitees. No such commitee exists for D&D. It's all up to authors and developers of given products to hammer things out. Different designers have different conclusions, and some don't make canon their top priority.This book has an impressive amount of canonical research behind it and would you look at the grousing.As for the priority bit. Yeah, I could see how that would be disappointing to someone who likes a nice consistant canon when their priorities get sidelined. But you know what? I think they made the right decision.</blockquote>

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