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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasamcarl" data-source="post: 2858883" data-attributes="member: 1251">Except, they do have the power to compel many, as indicated by the fact that their cr is higher than any other fiend in the the mm (assuming everything in the core rules is in this generic setting, an assumption which is irrelevant to most groups i bet). There is this thing called a snowball effect that doesn't require a phd in IR to understand, i.e. the timing of an alliance is important. If these fiends established an alliance early enough, it would grow on its own strength so as to overwhelm an inherently more powerful opposition that could not create that alliance. Do you want some historical examples.And you obviously didn't understand my point earlier. If one powerful fiend can create coherence out of chaos, then there is not reason why a less powerful fiend can a more immediate hierarchy, which would then snowball down to the lower levels, deterring rebellion from those immediatly above. There is not need for an 'abstract' order, national loyalties or the like. This hierarchy would be beyond single human agency; a fully natural and immediate outcome of brutish, 'chaotic' tendencies.</blockquote>