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<blockquote data-quote="GVDammerung" data-source="post: 2859279" data-attributes="member: 33060">Practically speaking, from what I am understanding, something very like this is how I intend to handle the situation - the stats will represent a proportional manefestation of the demon prince in question.&nbsp; I've been playing since OD&amp;D so improvising around or in lieu of &quot;official&quot; rulings is no big thing.&nbsp; That's really not wherein the issue lies for me, as I can kluge till the cows come home, but rather in how the mythology is impacted.&nbsp; Post-Hordes, when discussing the demon princes, there will now likely be an inevitable wrangle over the place of the demon lords in the grand scheme of things given their revised stat blocks and no &quot;official&quot; explaination for the change.&nbsp; To those of us interested in those aspects of D&amp;D where such things matter, or in the mythology more generally, a can of worms has been opened.&nbsp; To those so interested, this is very like a new class, feat or PrC being &quot;unbalanced&quot; is to those obsessed about those sorts things.&nbsp; A question then of whose ox, PrC or mythology is being gored.&nbsp; By no means does the demon prince CR issue &quot;ruin&quot; the book but it does take something of the bud off the rose as the demon princes are a big part of things.NB EM- I know you didn't write the section Erik, you were a convenient example of the principle, however.&nbsp; What drew you to the demons way back when was, I suspect, the mythology, the back story, not the mechanics, illustrating the point of how the mythology matters and forms part of D&amp;D's appeal, at least as much as the rules themselves, IMO.&nbsp; Unless of course, you love stat blocks, which from your moaning about doing the deific stats in that FR book you cowrote, I doubt.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GVDammerung, post: 2859279, member: 33060"] Practically speaking, from what I am understanding, something very like this is how I intend to handle the situation - the stats will represent a proportional manefestation of the demon prince in question. I've been playing since OD&D so improvising around or in lieu of "official" rulings is no big thing. That's really not wherein the issue lies for me, as I can kluge till the cows come home, but rather in how the mythology is impacted. Post-Hordes, when discussing the demon princes, there will now likely be an inevitable wrangle over the place of the demon lords in the grand scheme of things given their revised stat blocks and no "official" explaination for the change. To those of us interested in those aspects of D&D where such things matter, or in the mythology more generally, a can of worms has been opened. To those so interested, this is very like a new class, feat or PrC being "unbalanced" is to those obsessed about those sorts things. A question then of whose ox, PrC or mythology is being gored. By no means does the demon prince CR issue "ruin" the book but it does take something of the bud off the rose as the demon princes are a big part of things. NB EM- I know you didn't write the section Erik, you were a convenient example of the principle, however. What drew you to the demons way back when was, I suspect, the mythology, the back story, not the mechanics, illustrating the point of how the mythology matters and forms part of D&D's appeal, at least as much as the rules themselves, IMO. Unless of course, you love stat blocks, which from your moaning about doing the deific stats in that FR book you cowrote, I doubt. [/QUOTE]

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