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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2865014" data-attributes="member: 326">Hello again! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Totally wrong.You simply tie Balor (or any type of demon for that matter) advancement into the hierarchy itself. Therefore a 21-30 HD Balor would be a Demon Lord, a 31-40 HD Balor would be a Demon Prince and so forth.Its possible that some of the existing Demon Lords are in fact advanced Demons that have garnered power beyond mere Hit Dice' as they advanced. Pazuzu could be an advanced Vrock, Orcus could be an advanced Nalfeshnee etc. The more power they gain the more the Abyss itself would corrupt and mutate them into something different.I disagree. Thats like saying what makes a good dragon in one campaign fails in another.You only face problems like that when you design the Demon Lords to all cover the same small patch of CR's. Which, unfortunately, is exactly what you did.Whereas if you design them to cover a larger spectrum of CR's you never face these issues because the Eberrron people can fight Juiblex, Kostchtchie, the Greyhawk heroes can battle with Baphomet and Yeenoghu, and the top Realms people can pit themselves against Orcus and Demogorgon.I estimate that it would have taken 1 extra page (per Demon Lord) to detail the Demon lords manifestation, their avatar and their aspect, with no extra art necessary.Thats because the official Encounter Level rules are rubbish, and start to disintigrate at epic levels.Once someone at WotC wakes up about it, they will realise that the equation ECL x2 = EL +4 (and by extension ECL x1.5 = EL +2) works at any level. Of course it makes a lot of sense, thats how you should have done it in the first place.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> By mortal I presume you mean non-epic mortal. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Absolutely, thats why I am buying it. Saying things like that is only going to make me nervous about how the Demon Lords will be handled. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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