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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gold Roger" data-source="post: 2865934" data-attributes="member: 33904">Hm, a thought:Everyone keeps talking about Demon Lords having to have power over demons. But is that even true?Could even a CR90 really succeed in the challenge of herding cats that is controlling demons? Would they even want to do that, or care? If they did, would they still have the time to do anything else? Would they still be CE if they did?There's a reason for every demon prince having a huge host of nondemonic servants, isn't there? (Kostchie: White dragons and frost giants, Juiblex: Oozes, Grazzt: Lamia & co, Orcus: Undead, Baphomet: Minotaurs, Dagon: Kraken & co, pazurael: harpies & co, demogorgon is the king of weird servant creatures, etc)Frazz-Urb'loo is the only one of the top of my head without servants, and he's a loner anyway, isn't he?Really, I'd view a demon prince like a self proclaimed bandit king. The bandit king has his small band, but no real power over any other bandits. But many bandits will use the bandit kings name for their own devices and not every bandit wants to be bandit king. Over the time the name of the bandit king rises into to terrible hights and strikes fear at it's mention. I'd say most demons don't care much about "their lords" and the demon princes care little about "their subjects".The demon princes aren't leaders. There's no such thing to demons. They are special demons and many of them have taken a special interest in the multiverse outside of the abyss. They are figureheads to the outside, those that care for such prestige, while most demons remain uninterested of views others may have of them. A demon may serve his lord nominally, while in fact he simply chooses to life on a layer that suits him. A vrock on demogorgons layer may invoke his name to "validate" the toll he takes of those passing him, while a summoned Nalfashnee may invoke Orcus' name to strike fear into the hearts of those pesky mortals. But not every powerfull demon seeks a name for himself that others may seek him and identify him as an opponent.In the end there can be no authority among the embodyments of CEGods are driven out of the abyss, not because of the demon lords awesome power, but because the constant harrasment their realms suffer from disrespectfull demons. Of course these demons scream the name of "their lord", who themself stay elusive. The god decides living in abyss is to much hassle and the legacy lives on, that tells of powerfull demon princes...Canon? Maybe, I know little about planar canon behind what suits the needs of my game, but it certainly sounds right to me.</blockquote>

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