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<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 2870796" data-attributes="member: 1757">I find it ironic that you think I'm &quot;pimping&quot; DF, Shemeska, especially if you read my other posts on this topic. I'm simply trying to sidestep the usual complaining that goes on about a lack of archfiend stats of x CR, and to help out a poster who's looking for stats in a particular CR range . My point is that if people want stats at higher CRs than in HoTA, there are places to get them, including BoVD, the Demonomicon, and DF.As for &quot;canon&quot;: I think, as I've said before, that any notion of &quot;canon&quot; sits on pretty unstable grounds. People who go on about &quot;canon&quot; tend to pick their own version of precedent and label it thusly. Talking about what the powers of the archfiends &quot;historically&quot; are involves trying to reconcile a lot of contradictory information, AND to try to try to treat as hard game information what is presented as nothing more than rumor and conjecture. I understand that you have set yourself up as a guardian of what you've decided constitutes the &quot;history&quot; and &quot;canon&quot; of the lower planes and archfiends, but you're talking about a body of information that's changed several times over two previous editions and includes everything from archfiend stats at the roughly CR 15-equivalent range (Graz'zt and Pazrael in Planes of Chaos) to some &quot;greater than gods&quot; allusions (Dragon 223).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 2870796, member: 1757"] I find it ironic that you think I'm "pimping" DF, Shemeska, especially if you read my other posts on this topic. I'm simply trying to sidestep the usual complaining that goes on about a lack of archfiend stats of x CR, and to help out a poster who's looking for stats in a particular CR range . My point is that if people want stats at higher CRs than in HoTA, there are places to get them, including BoVD, the Demonomicon, and DF. As for "canon": I think, as I've said before, that any notion of "canon" sits on pretty unstable grounds. People who go on about "canon" tend to pick their own version of precedent and label it thusly. Talking about what the powers of the archfiends "historically" are involves trying to reconcile a lot of contradictory information, AND to try to try to treat as hard game information what is presented as nothing more than rumor and conjecture. I understand that you have set yourself up as a guardian of what you've decided constitutes the "history" and "canon" of the lower planes and archfiends, but you're talking about a body of information that's changed several times over two previous editions and includes everything from archfiend stats at the roughly CR 15-equivalent range (Graz'zt and Pazrael in Planes of Chaos) to some "greater than gods" allusions (Dragon 223). [/QUOTE]

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