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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zelda Themelin" data-source="post: 5688483" data-attributes="member: 167">I think horror and sex got married in western culture.At least it seems supernatural/vampire teen romance books got really popular. And they don't go all that much details as let's say 70s western horror porn books my uncle use to read, but detail about erotic tension and relationships and feelings of lust are described in detail. My sister likes to read teen romance, because they have relationship drama and erotic referances. She finds regular fantasy boring, because it usually ignores romantic relationships. She calls some of those books bad and childish but still find them more entertaing to read.This might be very reason why most girls aren't into D&D. It lacks erotic tension, unlike WoD games back to 90s.And in tv we have Vampire Diaries, that teenage werewolf thing, Secret circle (about witches) just started, Lost girl (succubus girl, series from Kanada, sis don't like it, so maybe it's targetted more for boys) and for adults there is HBO, True Blood with special mention.Actual getting it on beyond hugs and kisses gets you very easily "Twilight-saga" treatment. Where the romance steps on the land of horror. Kinda like lesson of desire is good, doing it is bad. And that is very similar to japanise storilines. Actually even in something like Urutsikodojii (spelling) it's pretty innocent when characters just lust and exchange kisses but when they get it on, it turns into hentai horror with monsters and tentacles.Very repeating thing of horror/sex in japanise stories is having self control vr losing it. Losing self control has negative and often horrific concequences in japanise manga/anime generally, not just hentai or "blue". And self-control often equals power, and losing it means something/someone else gains power over you. Romantic use/abuse/drama is very common in regular manga/anime, except those meant for little boys under 10.So I think western teeny supernatural books took whole romance good, romance bad, romance threat angle, more often found in japanise literature/games.However hongkong movies often like to combine erotic with humour. Or violence for the matter. I used to watch lot of foreing movies during my 11 years of "Love and Anarchy" film festival.That remains me, that too "dark" thing to most rpg players I know is lost of control. They hate when their character is feared/charmed/dominated. Especially if besides status effect you also describe it with some detail. Good way to really make player (not just character) to hate some npc/monster.And sorry if I am taking this too far from purpose of this thread.</blockquote>

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