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Hostile Empathic Transfer - too powerful?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2962035" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>What would this do? The Karmic Strike attacks are simultaneous with the attack that caused them (i.e. the attack was already successful, but AoOs interrupt the actions that triggered them), so damage would not be calculated until after the Karmic Strike occurs. Even if you were threatening with Hostile Empathic Transfer itself, it would only go up to the amount of damage previously taken.</p><p></p><p>Purposely lowering your AC in order to force yourself to take damage does not seem like a sound tactic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, you could use some of your Karmic Strike AoO attacks to do damage and one of them to do Hostile Empathic Transfer.</p><p></p><p>But, this is pricey.</p><p></p><p>It requires that you either fight with Unarmed Strikes, with a single one handed weapon and no shield, or with some form of PsyWar natural attack (e.g. Claws of the Beast). At least as DM, I would require dropping one end of a two handed weapon to be a free action like dropping a weapon and free actions cannot be done on anyone else's turn (so, you could not do this with a two handed weapon or with two weapon fighting).</p><p></p><p>And, it requires expending your psionic focus and takes up 11 PP each time you do it. An 11th level PsyWar might have 51 PP. That's 20+% for each cure up at the level a PsyWar can first do it (let alone all of the other things PsyWars use their PP for). Plus, it requires 4 (if you throw in Thanee's Combat Reflexes) of an 11th level PsyWar's 8 or 9 feats to accomplish, Int 13 and Dex 13 (obviously, it would be easier for a PsyWar to do this than a Psion).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Overall, this does not sound like a good tactic. I suspect that the PC Cleric will probably get annoyed at the PC PsyWar for purposely lowering his AC in this way since there will be a lot of times when the PsyWar finishes off his opponents without using up the 11 PP and psionic focus to cure back up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2962035, member: 2011"] What would this do? The Karmic Strike attacks are simultaneous with the attack that caused them (i.e. the attack was already successful, but AoOs interrupt the actions that triggered them), so damage would not be calculated until after the Karmic Strike occurs. Even if you were threatening with Hostile Empathic Transfer itself, it would only go up to the amount of damage previously taken. Purposely lowering your AC in order to force yourself to take damage does not seem like a sound tactic. Yes, you could use some of your Karmic Strike AoO attacks to do damage and one of them to do Hostile Empathic Transfer. But, this is pricey. It requires that you either fight with Unarmed Strikes, with a single one handed weapon and no shield, or with some form of PsyWar natural attack (e.g. Claws of the Beast). At least as DM, I would require dropping one end of a two handed weapon to be a free action like dropping a weapon and free actions cannot be done on anyone else's turn (so, you could not do this with a two handed weapon or with two weapon fighting). And, it requires expending your psionic focus and takes up 11 PP each time you do it. An 11th level PsyWar might have 51 PP. That's 20+% for each cure up at the level a PsyWar can first do it (let alone all of the other things PsyWars use their PP for). Plus, it requires 4 (if you throw in Thanee's Combat Reflexes) of an 11th level PsyWar's 8 or 9 feats to accomplish, Int 13 and Dex 13 (obviously, it would be easier for a PsyWar to do this than a Psion). Overall, this does not sound like a good tactic. I suspect that the PC Cleric will probably get annoyed at the PC PsyWar for purposely lowering his AC in this way since there will be a lot of times when the PsyWar finishes off his opponents without using up the 11 PP and psionic focus to cure back up. [/QUOTE]
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