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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8906190" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>right, but the problem is the numbers are not a 1-1 4e sells 3 books in 4 months and PF sells 5 books in the same 4 months and do you compare 5 books each sell 200 copies to 4 books that each sold 250 copies and say both sold 1,000?</p><p></p><p>it gets worse near the end when 4e put out 1 book per quarter and some months PF put out 2 or 3 books... do you count 12 books selling 5k each as 60,000 sales compared to 1 book selling 30k and say "PF outsells 4e 2 to 1" or do you say each 4e book out sells PF books 6 to 1...</p><p></p><p>and with this we are back to Samuel clemins there types of lies "Lies damn lie and statistics" (and I am a math guy that can make number say different things when I want.</p><p></p><p>The </p><p></p><p>yeah but they are partial numbers at best... no one that has a connection to both or even either Piazo or WotC ever said PF was beating 4e, just that it came closer as 2nd as anyone else (maybe since White wolf but that is debated too)</p><p></p><p>except we DON'T really know 4e fell off any cliff. We ONLY know that it didn't hit the (maybe pre pandemic unhittable) number Hasbro wanted. </p><p></p><p>In my day job I see this all the time. "We want to sell a billion of this item" turning into "We only sold 900 million of them, so it failed" and I have to constantly run reports showing that 900 million is a huge profit and still should be 'good' not 'fail'</p><p></p><p>Tbh I don't see anything that EVER looked like PF came close to a 1 to 1 sale with 4e book per book. They just got way closer then anyone else...</p><p></p><p>The big take away I can't believe that WotC DIDN'T take was that D&D is the only real competition to D&D... and they should have put out a PF Adventure and support both games, but instead they decided it was more important to 'win back' as many PF players as they could</p><p>(even though I have not seen even 1 2ePF book I have been told it takes a lot FROM 4e)</p><p></p><p>again early ( I want to say even before PHB2 marls said that 3e out sold 2e (not sure if he would even really know that) and that .3.5 out sold that and 4e out sold that, and now they claim 5e not only did that but out sold all of them added together.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8906190, member: 67338"] right, but the problem is the numbers are not a 1-1 4e sells 3 books in 4 months and PF sells 5 books in the same 4 months and do you compare 5 books each sell 200 copies to 4 books that each sold 250 copies and say both sold 1,000? it gets worse near the end when 4e put out 1 book per quarter and some months PF put out 2 or 3 books... do you count 12 books selling 5k each as 60,000 sales compared to 1 book selling 30k and say "PF outsells 4e 2 to 1" or do you say each 4e book out sells PF books 6 to 1... and with this we are back to Samuel clemins there types of lies "Lies damn lie and statistics" (and I am a math guy that can make number say different things when I want. The yeah but they are partial numbers at best... no one that has a connection to both or even either Piazo or WotC ever said PF was beating 4e, just that it came closer as 2nd as anyone else (maybe since White wolf but that is debated too) except we DON'T really know 4e fell off any cliff. We ONLY know that it didn't hit the (maybe pre pandemic unhittable) number Hasbro wanted. In my day job I see this all the time. "We want to sell a billion of this item" turning into "We only sold 900 million of them, so it failed" and I have to constantly run reports showing that 900 million is a huge profit and still should be 'good' not 'fail' Tbh I don't see anything that EVER looked like PF came close to a 1 to 1 sale with 4e book per book. They just got way closer then anyone else... The big take away I can't believe that WotC DIDN'T take was that D&D is the only real competition to D&D... and they should have put out a PF Adventure and support both games, but instead they decided it was more important to 'win back' as many PF players as they could (even though I have not seen even 1 2ePF book I have been told it takes a lot FROM 4e) again early ( I want to say even before PHB2 marls said that 3e out sold 2e (not sure if he would even really know that) and that .3.5 out sold that and 4e out sold that, and now they claim 5e not only did that but out sold all of them added together. [/QUOTE]
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