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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arilyn" data-source="post: 8246530" data-attributes="member: 6816042">Nobody is claiming player characters will not age and die. This is really taking the argument to silly places. During adventures player characters will not meet their ends through a series of bad dice rolls, bad luck or that one uninformed bad decision. Even at 20th level, they are not gods, and just like most groups will probably quit playing long before then anyway. In games with death there are still going to be characters who can potentially reach 20th level too, so don't they get to undo all their mistakes as well? There's been epic play in DnD for decades. If you are now saying it's inevitable that player characters will achieve these high levels, I haven't seen this as any more common than in more deadly games. And even if a group found a powerful artifact or cajoled a deity into bending to their will and reversed an event from back in 3rd level, I'm thinking Flashpoint. There will be consequences, big unknowable consequences. And this would be entirely logical, not an adversarial move by the GM. Finally, why are the naysayers assuming that player characters are going to run around acting like jerks? Once more, if your character leaps into  the lava in my game, that character dies, because the player is not playing but just being deliberately disruptive.</blockquote>