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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Forcegypsy" data-source="post: 633817" data-attributes="member: 8862">Harsh. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> Look before this degenerates any further, I think we should take a breath. I just read through the whole thread and for the life of me I can't tell which 'fix' is being talked about there at the end. Mistwell, what is your specific objection and to which house rule? - small aside here, thanks btw for keeping track of CR's rulings both here and on the WotC board, much appreciated. -I'll clarify my position so there is no misunderstanding. I like the way d20 Modern deals with damage, both lethal and non-lethal. I have an established group of experienced roleplayers and I have GM'd d20 Modern for a few months now. In my d20 modern game I like the action to be a blend between realistic consequences and cinematic action. A few times in game, there have been situations where it was appropiate for the pc's to attempt to in movie-like fashion, knock-out a flunkie without doing any permanent damage. I felt that the rules as written didn't allow for that without considerable focus on the brawl chain of feats or the use of exotic materials. I didn't want to nerf someone who actually took the feats, but I wanted it to be possible for low level flunkies (1st or 2nd level) to be dropped relatively easily. From discussion the rule I proposed evolved. Here it is again (slightly edited for clarity):Non-lethal damage from a single blow results in a Fort save (DC 15) to avoid knock-out under the following conditions:1- non-lethal damage equals or exceeds current Con score2- non-lethal damage equals or exceeds current hit points;No muss, no fuss, no extra calculations and gives the desired movie-style takedowns of low level mooks.It is meant for a specific style of play. It is not meant to 'fix' any perceived flaws in the game. It is a tweak that fits my gaming table. I offered it here for anyone who might have had the same issues crop up. As I mentioned in a previous post, it is being playtested. So far, it seems to fit seemlessly into the regular rules. Best of all, it is transparent to the players. They don't have to deal with it, no extra rolls, nothing. I'll wait for a response then offer constructive criticism of the other house rules on this thread.</blockquote>

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