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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 8179616" data-attributes="member: 6677017">Does this differ by level of play?In our group the party is 5th level, and we have very slow leveling so we've played extensively at each of those levels (I've run theme shorter adventures at various other levels, but I my extended experience so far is concentrated in this party). We have a bard, and a custom class with wizard spellcasting. The only upcastable spells he has are cure wounds and healing word. He probably upcasts in a fight every 3 or so sessions, but out of combat he upcasts cure wounds regularly. The wizard upcasts thunderwave about once every 4 or 5 sessions, and would likely do the same with magic missile, except that he rarely prepares the latter for lack of enough slots to prepare everything he wants. There aren't many other things on his list worth upcasting.The bard grumbles about it because he prefers 3e and can't stand that spells don't auto-scale by caster level, and that the healing spells in particular don't scale as well as they did in 3e. The wizard likes 5e and understands how this is all designed to work (as others have said--you usually only upcast a spell because you have no better use for that slot--the benefit is pure freebie--it could have been designed to not scale at all in higher slots!)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 8179616, member: 6677017"] Does this differ by level of play? In our group the party is 5th level, and we have very slow leveling so we've played extensively at each of those levels (I've run theme shorter adventures at various other levels, but I my extended experience so far is concentrated in this party). We have a bard, and a custom class with wizard spellcasting. The only upcastable spells he has are [I]cure wounds[/I] and [I]healing word[/I]. He probably upcasts in a fight every 3 or so sessions, but out of combat he upcasts [I]cure wounds[/I] regularly. The wizard upcasts [I]thunderwave [/I]about once every 4 or 5 sessions, and would likely do the same with [I]magic missile[/I], except that he rarely prepares the latter for lack of enough slots to prepare everything he wants. There aren't many other things on his list worth upcasting. The bard grumbles about it because he prefers 3e and can't stand that spells don't auto-scale by caster level, and that the healing spells in particular don't scale as well as they did in 3e. The wizard likes 5e and understands how this is all designed to work (as others have said--you usually only upcast a spell because you have no better use for that slot--the benefit is pure freebie--it could have been designed to not scale at all in higher slots!) [/QUOTE]

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