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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8452564" data-attributes="member: 83242">Yes, that is what I am talking about. Though to be honest I don't understand what you even mean by the stat line affecting game play.  That has not been an issue at all with my two 5e groups.I started in the mid 80s and my original group broke up when we graduated HS in '91.  We played a mixture if BECMI & AD&D 1e (we didn't realize they were different games really - just mashed them together the best we could). The only player I recall ever having a stat above 18 was a giant who had a strength of 19 or 20 something.To be honest, I didn't know there was a method to get stats above 18 in 1e without magic items. Of course it has been a long time since I played! We definitely didn't play that way, but I have discovered on these forums there is a lot of stuff we never knew or used in 1e.EDIT: to clarify we had the BEMCI boxed sets and the 1e PHB, DMG, MM, MM2, Deities & Demigods (I actually had the revised Legends & Lore and a friend had the original), the I think the Fiend Folio and that was it. Also a few issues of Dragon.We tended to use the BECMI rules with some support from the PHB, DMG, and almost always used the MM / MM2 instead the monsters from BECMI (except the superior dragons of course)</blockquote>