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<blockquote data-quote="FlimFlam" data-source="post: 502922" data-attributes="member: 8567">In a certain campaign I am in (I am one of the players) we have a tactic where I (the Cleric) cast Deeper Darkness on an object (like a coin) and Blindsight on our Rogue.&nbsp; When ever a battle occurs, we expose the coin, clouding most of the battlefield in darkness.&nbsp; Then the Rogue unleashes sneak attack hell on our enemies.&nbsp; As a PC, this is a very cool and effective tactic, but I think the DM is getting a bit frusterated because he can't really counter this tactic w/o getting cheesy.What do I (we) consider cheesy?1) Attacking us with creatures that are immune to sneak attack.&nbsp; This wouldn't stop the tactic, just make it less effective.2) Attack us with spell casters that can dispel or counters our tactic.3) Attack us with creatures that also have blindsight and can see in the darkness.Now these are all viable options, but the reason they are just as cheesy is because, well, you can only throw so many undead, spell casters or bats at us before it gets redundant.Not sure exactly what I am looking for here.&nbsp; I guess I am just wondering if anyone has had any similiar problems in their campaign with tactics such as these?&nbsp; Any suggestions on how a &quot;normal&quot; monster (such as an ogre for example) could get around the whole darkness/blindsight/sneak attacking rogue and be some actual competition?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FlimFlam, post: 502922, member: 8567"] In a certain campaign I am in (I am one of the players) we have a tactic where I (the Cleric) cast Deeper Darkness on an object (like a coin) and Blindsight on our Rogue. When ever a battle occurs, we expose the coin, clouding most of the battlefield in darkness. Then the Rogue unleashes sneak attack hell on our enemies. As a PC, this is a very cool and effective tactic, but I think the DM is getting a bit frusterated because he can't really counter this tactic w/o getting cheesy. What do I (we) consider cheesy? 1) Attacking us with creatures that are immune to sneak attack. This wouldn't stop the tactic, just make it less effective. 2) Attack us with spell casters that can dispel or counters our tactic. 3) Attack us with creatures that also have blindsight and can see in the darkness. Now these are all viable options, but the reason they are just as cheesy is because, well, you can only throw so many undead, spell casters or bats at us before it gets redundant. Not sure exactly what I am looking for here. I guess I am just wondering if anyone has had any similiar problems in their campaign with tactics such as these? Any suggestions on how a "normal" monster (such as an ogre for example) could get around the whole darkness/blindsight/sneak attacking rogue and be some actual competition? [/QUOTE]

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