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How a DM can counter cheesy PC tactics w/o using cheesy DM tactics.
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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 503124" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p><strong>Re</strong></p><p></p><p>Against normal foes, I don't see why it wouldn't work a great deal of the time. Most foes have no means to counter.</p><p></p><p>The darkness does ruin most of your targettable spells as well and your DM shouldn't have much trouble countering it when enemy casters are involved.</p><p></p><p>They might also dispel the thiefs blindsight and leave the darkness up, summon some ally or summon monster devils and let them work the thief.</p><p></p><p>If your DM wanted to be really mean and pay you back he could do the following:</p><p></p><p>1. Powerful priest or caster enemy.</p><p>2. You unleash darkness.</p><p>3. Caster also has blindsight available as spell. If it is that effective for you guys, no reason why it wouldn't be effective for the enemy.</p><p>4. Cast a globe of force around the thief and the enemy caster inside. (You guys won't know what is going on as not much passes between a force globe and yourself.</p><p>5. Targetted dispel on the rogue.</p><p>6. Enemy caster either kills the thief or summons a devil of some kind to kill the rogue. </p><p></p><p>An arcane caster can set up your rogue for death using the above tactic very easily. A priest on the other hand would not be able to cast the wall of force, but could just as easily use a hold spell or a wall of stone or iron. </p><p></p><p>Melee classes on the other hand have little means of countering such a tactic. They are doomed unless they have a magic item or innate ability such as a feat or special ability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 503124, member: 5834"] [b]Re[/b] Against normal foes, I don't see why it wouldn't work a great deal of the time. Most foes have no means to counter. The darkness does ruin most of your targettable spells as well and your DM shouldn't have much trouble countering it when enemy casters are involved. They might also dispel the thiefs blindsight and leave the darkness up, summon some ally or summon monster devils and let them work the thief. If your DM wanted to be really mean and pay you back he could do the following: 1. Powerful priest or caster enemy. 2. You unleash darkness. 3. Caster also has blindsight available as spell. If it is that effective for you guys, no reason why it wouldn't be effective for the enemy. 4. Cast a globe of force around the thief and the enemy caster inside. (You guys won't know what is going on as not much passes between a force globe and yourself. 5. Targetted dispel on the rogue. 6. Enemy caster either kills the thief or summons a devil of some kind to kill the rogue. An arcane caster can set up your rogue for death using the above tactic very easily. A priest on the other hand would not be able to cast the wall of force, but could just as easily use a hold spell or a wall of stone or iron. Melee classes on the other hand have little means of countering such a tactic. They are doomed unless they have a magic item or innate ability such as a feat or special ability. [/QUOTE]
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