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<blockquote data-quote="Brown Jenkin" data-source="post: 508567" data-attributes="member: 2572">I will discard the Ogre one as Blindsight was not part of this. This could be done with any darkness spell. For the others1. Wyvern: Where were you fighting this? A Wyvern flys and should be above the fray dropping down on the non-darkened characters with Fly-By Attack. How was this tactic effective? If it was trapped indoors unable to fly that is your DMs fault for not properly utilizing the creatures abilities.2. Hill(?) Giant. Not very bright, an appropriate time to use this tactic, also keeps the giant from pummeling you.3. Band of 10 Rogues. I am curious on this one. If they were played inteligently this tactic should have only had limited use. They have uncanny dodge so can't be sneak attacked and there should have been 2-3 per character. This should have been a good fight unless they were way underpowered. The Rogue would have to stay away from the rest of the group though or risk penalizing his own party as well.4. 2 Giant Spiders. Why were they sticking around and fighting? Unlike the dim hill giant these should have had the animal instincts to flee once things started going badly. Not a bad place to use the tactic though.For me this comes out to 2/4 where this tactic would prove very usefull. Then again Fireball will come in usefull just as much. Doesn't seem to me that this is overpowering so far, and with my list above and good DM tactics I don't see where the problem is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brown Jenkin, post: 508567, member: 2572"] I will discard the Ogre one as Blindsight was not part of this. This could be done with any darkness spell. For the others 1. Wyvern: Where were you fighting this? A Wyvern flys and should be above the fray dropping down on the non-darkened characters with Fly-By Attack. How was this tactic effective? If it was trapped indoors unable to fly that is your DMs fault for not properly utilizing the creatures abilities. 2. Hill(?) Giant. Not very bright, an appropriate time to use this tactic, also keeps the giant from pummeling you. 3. Band of 10 Rogues. I am curious on this one. If they were played inteligently this tactic should have only had limited use. They have uncanny dodge so can't be sneak attacked and there should have been 2-3 per character. This should have been a good fight unless they were way underpowered. The Rogue would have to stay away from the rest of the group though or risk penalizing his own party as well. 4. 2 Giant Spiders. Why were they sticking around and fighting? Unlike the dim hill giant these should have had the animal instincts to flee once things started going badly. Not a bad place to use the tactic though. For me this comes out to 2/4 where this tactic would prove very usefull. Then again Fireball will come in usefull just as much. Doesn't seem to me that this is overpowering so far, and with my list above and good DM tactics I don't see where the problem is. [/QUOTE]

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