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How a DM can counter cheesy PC tactics w/o using cheesy DM tactics.
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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 524570" data-attributes="member: 259"><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Probably about 20% of my encounters involve someone with access to one or more of these strategies. Even if someone does have access to these strategies, the PCs can have an easy counter-strategy: just keep an extra darkness spell prepared on a scroll.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I would not expect PCs to use this tactic against a dragon. Scent partially negates this tactic, but only partially. Blindsight and tremorsense creatures are pretty rare -- and since my PCs are fly-spell-happy (understandably: the mobility it grants in battle is unparalleled), tremorsense wouldn't help against it.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I tend to run city-based adventures, with lots of outdoor activities. In the one time the PCs did use this tactic, the enemies that survived only did so by running away: the ones that remained in the area got creamed, despite being huge toughies.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I'm assuming that the PCs will use this tactic in many circumstances if it's available. It doesn't guarantee success, but it provides such a significant advantage in most cases that it'd be foolish not to use it. And IMO, it makes battles dreary, makes them have the same flavor over and over, which isn't at all a good thing. My players agreed with me when I brought this issue up and agreed that the spell should not be available.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Daniel</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 524570, member: 259"] [B] Probably about 20% of my encounters involve someone with access to one or more of these strategies. Even if someone does have access to these strategies, the PCs can have an easy counter-strategy: just keep an extra darkness spell prepared on a scroll. I would not expect PCs to use this tactic against a dragon. Scent partially negates this tactic, but only partially. Blindsight and tremorsense creatures are pretty rare -- and since my PCs are fly-spell-happy (understandably: the mobility it grants in battle is unparalleled), tremorsense wouldn't help against it. I tend to run city-based adventures, with lots of outdoor activities. In the one time the PCs did use this tactic, the enemies that survived only did so by running away: the ones that remained in the area got creamed, despite being huge toughies. I'm assuming that the PCs will use this tactic in many circumstances if it's available. It doesn't guarantee success, but it provides such a significant advantage in most cases that it'd be foolish not to use it. And IMO, it makes battles dreary, makes them have the same flavor over and over, which isn't at all a good thing. My players agreed with me when I brought this issue up and agreed that the spell should not be available. Daniel[/b] [/QUOTE]
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