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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 5722118" data-attributes="member: 892">One area where it would be a problem would be disguise type glamours.&nbsp; If jack is disguised as the king and is detected as illusion magic, then &quot;king&quot; giving orders suddenly is wayyy less effective as a PC (or NPC) con.&nbsp; Similarly with simulacrims of the king.Another would be where one is trying to set up one's opponent for a surprise attack on them (frex, either scare them away from the &quot;ogre&quot; so they fall into a pit/run into invisible bad guys, get set up for the area of effect of a fireball), or have them rush towards the &quot;orc guarding juicy treasure&quot; so they fall into a pit (etc., etc.)).&nbsp; Also, simple disguises for traps (an illusory wall that conceals a spear trap, or an illusionary floor over a pit, for example).&nbsp; DM stops both of these.&nbsp; DM at will stops these all the time.Also, re: Shadow Conjuration, 1/5th combat value is not that effective, especially since you are already behind the Summon Monster X curve as you only duplicate lower level spells with Shadow Conjuration and its ilk.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 5722118, member: 892"] One area where it would be a problem would be disguise type glamours. If jack is disguised as the king and is detected as illusion magic, then "king" giving orders suddenly is wayyy less effective as a PC (or NPC) con. Similarly with simulacrims of the king. Another would be where one is trying to set up one's opponent for a surprise attack on them (frex, either scare them away from the "ogre" so they fall into a pit/run into invisible bad guys, get set up for the area of effect of a fireball), or have them rush towards the "orc guarding juicy treasure" so they fall into a pit (etc., etc.)). Also, simple disguises for traps (an illusory wall that conceals a spear trap, or an illusionary floor over a pit, for example). DM stops both of these. DM at will stops these all the time. Also, re: Shadow Conjuration, 1/5th combat value is not that effective, especially since you are already behind the Summon Monster X curve as you only duplicate lower level spells with Shadow Conjuration and its ilk. :) [/QUOTE]

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