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How about a little love for AD&D 1E
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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8961196" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>3e's additive multiclassing (and 4e's and 5e's, for all that) is one of its worst elements. 2e, where a character's classes could and did advance independent of each other, is far more flexible and ends up with non-borked characters.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if they're our own invention or whether they were inspired by a Dragon article or somehting, but for ages we've had rules and procedures in place for if-when a character wants to (and is otherwise able to) pick up a second class; meanign the decision can be made during the character's played career.</p><p></p><p>Good point, bad example: a deity could bestow the Cleric class on that character on the spot if it wanted to! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>But even then, partly by 1e RAW and partly by fiat covering rules that simply don't exist, it's doable without divine intervention.</p><p></p><p>The part that doesn't exist in the RAW anywhere (and as far as I know, in any edition!) is ways and means of dropping or renouncing a class or classes other than losing all your levels to a level-drainer - and somehow surviving this process! - and then declining restoration. So the DM would have to handwave this part somehow; for my own game I invented a high-level Clerical spell <em>Renouncement</em>, for just this purpose.</p><p></p><p>But after that, RAW comes to the rescue. In the PH, when determining a character's age there's a modifier - you add a number of years based on the character's class: 3 years for Cleric, 8 years for MU, etc. Thus, we now know how long it takes to train in order to become a raw 0-xp 1st-level in said class; which means that in this case, three in-game years from now you could be a brand new 1st-level Cleric. The only sticky one is Fighter which adds 0 years to rolled age, but as all classes get some combat training anyway I'm cool with it only taking a few months for any adventurer to become a raw-1st Fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8961196, member: 29398"] 3e's additive multiclassing (and 4e's and 5e's, for all that) is one of its worst elements. 2e, where a character's classes could and did advance independent of each other, is far more flexible and ends up with non-borked characters. I don't know if they're our own invention or whether they were inspired by a Dragon article or somehting, but for ages we've had rules and procedures in place for if-when a character wants to (and is otherwise able to) pick up a second class; meanign the decision can be made during the character's played career. Good point, bad example: a deity could bestow the Cleric class on that character on the spot if it wanted to! :) But even then, partly by 1e RAW and partly by fiat covering rules that simply don't exist, it's doable without divine intervention. The part that doesn't exist in the RAW anywhere (and as far as I know, in any edition!) is ways and means of dropping or renouncing a class or classes other than losing all your levels to a level-drainer - and somehow surviving this process! - and then declining restoration. So the DM would have to handwave this part somehow; for my own game I invented a high-level Clerical spell [I]Renouncement[/I], for just this purpose. But after that, RAW comes to the rescue. In the PH, when determining a character's age there's a modifier - you add a number of years based on the character's class: 3 years for Cleric, 8 years for MU, etc. Thus, we now know how long it takes to train in order to become a raw 0-xp 1st-level in said class; which means that in this case, three in-game years from now you could be a brand new 1st-level Cleric. The only sticky one is Fighter which adds 0 years to rolled age, but as all classes get some combat training anyway I'm cool with it only taking a few months for any adventurer to become a raw-1st Fighter. [/QUOTE]
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