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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BonesMcCoy" data-source="post: 383789" data-attributes="member: 7695">Re: Re: back to the subject at hand...But you are forgetting that posters on the internet represent only a tiny portion of the entire D&D audience.But they shouldn't be mutually exclusive. The best way to ensure the continued success of D&D is to appeal to as broad an audience as possible without compromising the game. There is not only nothing wrong with pleasing Tolkien fans as well as regular D&Ders, but it is a sensible and desirable tactic.The version in the movie is definitely NOT in line with 3E. Do they look like 30# to you? Do they have elongated skulls? Are they waifishly thin compared to the humans? The official height they tried to represent in the films is 3'6". In the scene in Hobbiton where Gandalf is dancing with the village, they look that small, or even slightly smaller. But in the rest of the movie, the hobbits almost always come up to the bottom of the humans' chests. Probably closer to 4' in my opinion and a more believable height. But in any case they are not 30#. Maybe more like 80#, of course that is purely a guess.Actually no, you shouldn't want to annoy the old guard. That is an exclusionary attitude that divides gamers and fragments our hobby. Rob Kuntz argues this very fact on his Pied Piper boards. Why do we have so many people sticking to the old editions? Why don't they want to switch and what could WotC have done, or even do now, to bring them back into the fold? More gamers playing 3E is good for all 3E fans. There is no reason why 3E could not have taken a more inclusionary attitude towards these gamers. In fact, IMO only of course, it probably wouldn't hurt WotC at all to put out a smallish softcover detailing all the crunchy bits that would have to be done to give a 3E game a more 1E feel (a topic debated on dragonsfoot.org). Class selection restrictions, level limits and all that 'outdated' stuff. New gamers don't have to buy it and old gamers can switch to 3E and enjoy all the d20 products on the shelves. No harm done to either party and you just gained a bunch of gamers for 3E.The entire halfling debate is just an extension of the 3E vs. 1E/2E debates. The new art look, the drastically different rules, the new 'attitude'. It is unnecessarily divisive and I believe WotC should take action to re-unite gamers of different editions instead of pretending there isn't a problem.</blockquote>

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