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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3354030" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>Yup - and my argument is still simply: 5 ninth level spells. In my system, I'm saying 3 spontaneously cast ninth level spells cast from a wizard's spell book are worth 4/6/6/5/5/5/5/4/3/0.</p><p></p><p>As for the "bottom up" approach, again my response is simply: spontaneously cast from a wizard's spell book that contains (especially at high levels) potentially any low level spell. (And with the new idea I posted above, it would be more than you've shown: 52 mana would yield 4/6/6/5/5/5/1/0/0/0 - fairly close to the original total, and again, all spontaneously cast.)</p><p></p><p>A wizard's main strength is versitility. Increasing this strength to nigh limitless potential requires quite a drawback. In this case, it is losing lots of spells.</p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to say that this system will allow one to cast the same number of spells, or even close to the same number. As you can see, you give up a LOT of spellcasting potential as you gain even greater versatility. My argument is that it is simply worth it. Sure, you only have a handful of spells - <em>but you have exactly the handful you need, every time</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p>All that being said, I completely understand your argument that it is simply too little. And honestly, that may be true - I think it would take playtesting to assert it either way. I think this system may actually "even out" the wizard's power curve: he's more powerful at low levels and possibly less powerful at very high levels, which makes him closer in his power curve to the other DnD classes. And it would change part of how a wizard works, since part of the "fun" for some is the preparation and strategy. But I still think that given a wizard in particular, who can - more than anyone - pick his battles, increasing his versatility only makes him stronger.</p><p></p><p>As a counter-point, I would suggest applying the "cost = spell level" formula and seeing if that seems more reasonable to you. The main problem, however, of "so what do we do with spontaneous casters" becomes even more problematic if you can't really subtract much more from the overall cost of spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3354030, member: 9789"] Yup - and my argument is still simply: 5 ninth level spells. In my system, I'm saying 3 spontaneously cast ninth level spells cast from a wizard's spell book are worth 4/6/6/5/5/5/5/4/3/0. As for the "bottom up" approach, again my response is simply: spontaneously cast from a wizard's spell book that contains (especially at high levels) potentially any low level spell. (And with the new idea I posted above, it would be more than you've shown: 52 mana would yield 4/6/6/5/5/5/1/0/0/0 - fairly close to the original total, and again, all spontaneously cast.) A wizard's main strength is versitility. Increasing this strength to nigh limitless potential requires quite a drawback. In this case, it is losing lots of spells. I'm not trying to say that this system will allow one to cast the same number of spells, or even close to the same number. As you can see, you give up a LOT of spellcasting potential as you gain even greater versatility. My argument is that it is simply worth it. Sure, you only have a handful of spells - [I]but you have exactly the handful you need, every time[/I]. All that being said, I completely understand your argument that it is simply too little. And honestly, that may be true - I think it would take playtesting to assert it either way. I think this system may actually "even out" the wizard's power curve: he's more powerful at low levels and possibly less powerful at very high levels, which makes him closer in his power curve to the other DnD classes. And it would change part of how a wizard works, since part of the "fun" for some is the preparation and strategy. But I still think that given a wizard in particular, who can - more than anyone - pick his battles, increasing his versatility only makes him stronger. As a counter-point, I would suggest applying the "cost = spell level" formula and seeing if that seems more reasonable to you. The main problem, however, of "so what do we do with spontaneous casters" becomes even more problematic if you can't really subtract much more from the overall cost of spells. [/QUOTE]
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