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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9382314" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Since I know you've read <em>Game Wizards</em>, I'm sure you can appreciate this.</p><p></p><p>Mike Carr was so thoroughly screwed, so many times, by TSR, that I'm not sure that this it would be in the Top 30 grievances he had.</p><p></p><p>Two words- Kevin Blume.</p><p>Two more words- Purchasing Department.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, I should say two things. First, yeah, Carr got screwed. After Egbert, the sales of Holmes Basic exploded and Carr was making bank. So it's hardly surprising that Gygax was like, "Ima make a module! And include it instead! Woot!" </p><p></p><p>The reason that this is both a correct explanation but also not a complete explanation (just a partial one, because, duh, obviously Gygax was going to get those sweet royalties) is because there was also a shift in philosophy re: modules. Even though B2 seems "incomplete" to modern readers, it is <em>much more complete </em>than B1. B1 is the example of what they originally were thinking- sketch out some great ideas, and then the DM would fill in the rest! In other words, give the DM the bare bones of a starter, because DMs were going to make their own adventures and this was teaching them how to do that. As they realized that, no, they could make bank off of modules and adventures, this quickly changed. I don't think they wanted to provide that type of "learning template." This is why B2 is more complete than B1 (albeit ... I mean ... you could of named some people in the Keep, amirite?). </p><p></p><p>Bonus fun fact- one of the reasons people would be confused by a few things in B2 when they received it with Moldvay was because that B2 (and B1) were written for OD&D, not Moldvay Basic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9382314, member: 7023840"] Since I know you've read [I]Game Wizards[/I], I'm sure you can appreciate this. Mike Carr was so thoroughly screwed, so many times, by TSR, that I'm not sure that this[I] [/I]it would be in the Top 30 grievances he had. Two words- Kevin Blume. Two more words- Purchasing Department. So, I should say two things. First, yeah, Carr got screwed. After Egbert, the sales of Holmes Basic exploded and Carr was making bank. So it's hardly surprising that Gygax was like, "Ima make a module! And include it instead! Woot!" The reason that this is both a correct explanation but also not a complete explanation (just a partial one, because, duh, obviously Gygax was going to get those sweet royalties) is because there was also a shift in philosophy re: modules. Even though B2 seems "incomplete" to modern readers, it is [I]much more complete [/I]than B1. B1 is the example of what they originally were thinking- sketch out some great ideas, and then the DM would fill in the rest! In other words, give the DM the bare bones of a starter, because DMs were going to make their own adventures and this was teaching them how to do that. As they realized that, no, they could make bank off of modules and adventures, this quickly changed. I don't think they wanted to provide that type of "learning template." This is why B2 is more complete than B1 (albeit ... I mean ... you could of named some people in the Keep, amirite?). Bonus fun fact- one of the reasons people would be confused by a few things in B2 when they received it with Moldvay was because that B2 (and B1) were written for OD&D, not Moldvay Basic. [/QUOTE]
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