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How are melee characters expected to deal with flying creatures?
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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 4965525" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>Yes, you are right <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p> </p><p>but not the answer to the quoted passage... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p> </p><p>my reasoming for the quoted passage:</p><p> </p><p>1) The dragon can´t know that 21 squares, i.e. 105 ft. is a magical barrier</p><p>2) The dragon can´t hover at this distance</p><p>3) Players can move</p><p>4) The dragon most certainly can´t judge the distance exactly</p><p>5) Designing an encounter which not only challenges the players by attacking their weakness once in a while and with "fair" means is ok. Designing an encounter with monsters who happen to know where exactly the weaknesses of the players are and shamelessly exploiting them is not ok.</p><p> </p><p>1) Fair situation (IMHO of course)</p><p>And presenting a dragon which only stays at this distance right from the beginning...</p><p>At the beginning, the dragon usually would believe he faces normal warriors who are no challenge to him and offer him a good meal. Only whe the dragon realizes he is facing real enemies he will try to back off and stay in the ait using his breath weapon. If the enemies fire on him with missiles and magic he will stay even further away...</p><p> </p><p>2) The Dragon knows from this particular group of adventurers and te adventurers may have heard rumors of dragons, but ignored them. (Maybe because the DM would never use ranged monsters in the open vs an only melee party) The dragon has heard of the melee prowess of the fighters so decides to attack in the open and show them who is the boss.</p><p> </p><p>Unfair stuation:</p><p>Random encounter dragon on an open plain, no trees. Suddenly appears at 200 ft distance. Closes to 105 ft and attacks with his breath weapon without any reason... rinse and repeat until players are death.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 4965525, member: 59057"] Yes, you are right ;) but not the answer to the quoted passage... ;) my reasoming for the quoted passage: 1) The dragon can´t know that 21 squares, i.e. 105 ft. is a magical barrier 2) The dragon can´t hover at this distance 3) Players can move 4) The dragon most certainly can´t judge the distance exactly 5) Designing an encounter which not only challenges the players by attacking their weakness once in a while and with "fair" means is ok. Designing an encounter with monsters who happen to know where exactly the weaknesses of the players are and shamelessly exploiting them is not ok. 1) Fair situation (IMHO of course) And presenting a dragon which only stays at this distance right from the beginning... At the beginning, the dragon usually would believe he faces normal warriors who are no challenge to him and offer him a good meal. Only whe the dragon realizes he is facing real enemies he will try to back off and stay in the ait using his breath weapon. If the enemies fire on him with missiles and magic he will stay even further away... 2) The Dragon knows from this particular group of adventurers and te adventurers may have heard rumors of dragons, but ignored them. (Maybe because the DM would never use ranged monsters in the open vs an only melee party) The dragon has heard of the melee prowess of the fighters so decides to attack in the open and show them who is the boss. Unfair stuation: Random encounter dragon on an open plain, no trees. Suddenly appears at 200 ft distance. Closes to 105 ft and attacks with his breath weapon without any reason... rinse and repeat until players are death. [/QUOTE]
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