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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4967882" data-attributes="member: 43019">I'd imagine that some groups of players do, in fact, fail. I'd certainly hope so, even. Isn't that a feature, though?What does that really have to do with the ability to get out of dodge when need be in prior editions that is much more difficult within 4e? That 4e requires far more strict regulating by the DM on what tactics they can take and how forcefully they need to steer their players? I... suppose... that might be the case. Certainly if I run this adventure I'd have to at least allow a skill challenge or combat method of escaping, even if they can't face them all.Of course, if they persist in facing them all, despite obvious overwhelming force arrayed against them, not taking the option to escape... I imagine they'd die, having made their decision. I'd hope that both the threat of death is present _and_ that player decisions matter.</blockquote>