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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4968043" data-attributes="member: 2011">Fleeing is a good strategy if it can work.Our group had one of the outside Kobolds from the first encounter flee into the caves and when the PCs entered (without taking a rest because they did not want this Kobold to warn others), the foes inside were ready. Our group also had one of the players use his Encounter class and racial powers in the outside encounter, even though they weren't really needed (his rationale was that every single Encounter power was always supposed to be used in every single encounter, an early 4E player misconception). Even though I had Irontooth and some of the other Kobolds come around the outside of the cave (and hence, enter the fight 3 or 4 rounds later), the PCs ended up getting surrounded and quickly trounced.There were 13 foes outside and 17 foes inside in a scenario effectively designed for starting players and first level PCs (so yes, tough scenarios for when players are not quite familiar with the game system and its nuances is not really good adventure design either, IMO).So sure, if the DM plays it like WOW where foes 20 feet away will not attack until attacked, it's pretty easy. If played plausibly (since most foes can see or hear many of the PCs a high percentage of the time), the PCs are outnumbered by 3 to 1 in two back to back encounters and the second encounter had 10 same level minions, 3 same level normal foes, 2 n+1 foes, and 2 n+2 foes.Note: Our players also were extremely lucky in the outside encounter, hitting probably 80% of the time due to sheer luck. So when they headed into the caves, they were not bloodied or in need of a rest other than a few encounter powers. As players, they did not yet have the experience to tell them whether to rest up or not, they were concerned with the tactical element of stopping a fleeing foe of warning others. A typical concern that the designers should be aware of if they playtested the module to any significant extent.</blockquote>

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