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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4972504" data-attributes="member: 2011">I understand the caution, I'm just not seeing basically DND 3.5 miscellaneous (not generally attack) spells (which many 10 minute or less casting rituals are for the most part) brought to DND 4E and still requiring a standard action to cast PLUS having a component cost and a market price as being unbalanced.I really do think that WotC has done a superb job of selling 3.5 stuff that wasn't really unbalanced as unbalanced, all in the name of balance. It really is an amazing marketing job that has convinced a lot of gamers into a brand new mindset.If I would have said to you 2 years ago:&quot;I think Tenser's Floating Disk should take 10 minutes to cast and cost 60 GP for the first time cast&quot;, you probably would have considered me nuts. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />So yeah, I think your caution is way overblown.A single scroll with a single charge is nothing compared to 3.5 Wands with 50 charges.Not seeing it.A helpless NPC? Who multiple PCs could Coup De Grace?You consider giving that NPC a 10 vulnerability or some such if he does a given action overpowered for 1000 GP when he was already helpless???This actually makes Mark of Justice useful. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4972504, member: 2011"] I understand the caution, I'm just not seeing basically DND 3.5 miscellaneous (not generally attack) spells (which many 10 minute or less casting rituals are for the most part) brought to DND 4E and still requiring a standard action to cast PLUS having a component cost and a market price as being unbalanced. I really do think that WotC has done a superb job of selling 3.5 stuff that wasn't really unbalanced as unbalanced, all in the name of balance. It really is an amazing marketing job that has convinced a lot of gamers into a brand new mindset. If I would have said to you 2 years ago: "I think Tenser's Floating Disk should take 10 minutes to cast and cost 60 GP for the first time cast", you probably would have considered me nuts. :lol: So yeah, I think your caution is way overblown. A single scroll with a single charge is nothing compared to 3.5 Wands with 50 charges. Not seeing it. A helpless NPC? Who multiple PCs could Coup De Grace? You consider giving that NPC a 10 vulnerability or some such if he does a given action overpowered for 1000 GP when he was already helpless??? This actually makes Mark of Justice useful. ;) [/QUOTE]

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