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Message: <blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 3253250" data-attributes="member: 1165">I hope RP isn't just identical to "has high Cha" or "has high social skills".Also, one person's way of "playing a bard right" might not be someone else's way.When it comes to #3 ... heck no! WotC needs to fix Diplomacy and Intimidate so they make some semblance of sense before they start handing out buffs. Right now Diplomacy is flatly overpowered and Intimidate just doesn't make any sense at all.Bluff makes sense as written, but when a bard casts spells that grant +10 (or is it more?) to Bluff, it gets overpowered, too. Bluff is mildly broken, in that your opponent has to have Sense Motive to have a chance of not being fooled, but Sense Motive is not a class skill for most classes. Even highly intelligent wizards usually fall for a bard's bluff, and that seems kind of wrong to me.Ummm... no. I think that might even be against the CoC.Bards don't offend me, anyway. (One bard player did, but that was another story  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> )Bards are weak, IMO, because they can only cast 7th-level spells and have a limited variety. They do have some unique spells available to them - there's that wonderful 5th-level spell that can force opponents to fight each other, 50% of the time, after multiple opponents have failed their Will save ... well, it seemed like a great spell on paper.Bards don't even fight as well as a rogue and don't have the same wide variety of skills or skill points, either (although they have close to that). A bard can buff himself, sure, but right, you can buff the fighter types instead. If bards could buff themselves the way the much more powerful cleric class could, maybe they wouldn't seem like wimps in combat.The bard's unique class feature, the song, just doesn't do enough. If bards got much better songs, they'd rock, both in-combat and out.</blockquote>

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