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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 3257344" data-attributes="member: 22882">I don't think bards are the *most* powerful class, but of the core classes I'd put them 4th or 5th, competing for a slot with sorcerers and beaten by druids, clerics and wizards, in that order.  Barbarians and rogues can maybe compete, but paladins, monks, fighters and rangers don't have a patch on them.Group buffs are just stupidly powerful, and while bard spell progression is poor, their actual spell list is one of the best in the game.Most people seem to want bards to be either jacks-of-all-trades (they aren't - their spells have a very specific role and are not general utility, and they can't fight worth a hill of beans) or social skill masters (they're no better than rogues or clerics, except while singing).  They're not.  They're buff and bluff specialists, with the buff coming from their songs and the bluff from their spells.EDIT: To use an NBA analogy, bards are like Andre Miller (or, more iconically, John Stockton) - pure point guards who make their teammates look vastly better than they are, while not getting much, if any, spotlight.  Which means, apparently, that you can trade an overrated Fighter/Rogue of the same level for a Bard, two 1st level prospects with 32-point point buy, and the gear of a retiring high level character. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />   Maybe bards are the best class after all...</blockquote>

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