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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 767904" data-attributes="member: 463">'8' is a bit below average, the equivalent of a '13' being a bit above average - enough to notice (unlike a 9 or 12, perhaps), but not hugely significant.&nbsp; A lot of Feats require a stat of 13 to take, for instance.&nbsp; If average real-world male STR is 10-11, average female STR might be 7-8, for instance, assuming no cultural factors to exaggerate the difference.I agree that there's been a tendency towards stat inflation in 3e; most noticeably the tendency in some products to give mundane/mediocre NPCs the Default Array stats (15 14 13 12 10 8).&nbsp; While this is better than the 1e tendency to create 15th level NPCs with all-10s and no magic treasure, it tends to devalue higher stats.&nbsp; Default array or better stats should IMO be reserved for elite NPCs &amp; PCs.OTOH in a tough high-powered campaign PCs may well need stats averaging 14+ to survive, I have no problem with PCs being exceptional.&nbsp; In such a game, an 8 may be 6 points below the 'average' stat and of course it seems very low.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 767904, member: 463"] '8' is a bit below average, the equivalent of a '13' being a bit above average - enough to notice (unlike a 9 or 12, perhaps), but not hugely significant. A lot of Feats require a stat of 13 to take, for instance. If average real-world male STR is 10-11, average female STR might be 7-8, for instance, assuming no cultural factors to exaggerate the difference. I agree that there's been a tendency towards stat inflation in 3e; most noticeably the tendency in some products to give mundane/mediocre NPCs the Default Array stats (15 14 13 12 10 8). While this is better than the 1e tendency to create 15th level NPCs with all-10s and no magic treasure, it tends to devalue higher stats. Default array or better stats should IMO be reserved for elite NPCs & PCs. OTOH in a tough high-powered campaign PCs may well need stats averaging 14+ to survive, I have no problem with PCs being exceptional. In such a game, an 8 may be 6 points below the 'average' stat and of course it seems very low. [/QUOTE]

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