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<blockquote data-quote="tintagel" data-source="post: 4481921" data-attributes="member: 42161">You could be a contortionist at how much you are stretching...&nbsp; Perhaps if you put that same amount of gold and effort into 4E characters, you would solve the Paladin Has No Armor for One Night Crisis.We have had only one rogue use wands, and he had a 16 charisma.&nbsp; Other rogue builds found it too costly, unreliable, and frankly were happy to have the wizard do it for them.&nbsp; By this same logic, 4E paladins can multiclass or take Rituals.Traps take TIME to craft.&nbsp; Read your PHB on crafting times.&nbsp; A simple sword takes Days....&nbsp; This isn't WoW and you aren't playing your Survival Hunter.Crystals are optional and often overpowered to begin with.&nbsp; Once you open up splatbooks 6 years into the development of an edition as the reason why a previous edition is better - you get into grey territory.&nbsp; A DM could jsut make crystals in 4E that give a +6 armor bonus right?&nbsp; You didn't have crystals 3 months into 3rd Edition.&nbsp; Look, it's pointless to debate because you aren't looking at the Tons of examples that even WOTC developers gave about previous editions being UNFUN with characters being able to do nothing.&nbsp; 1st level Wizards shouldn't have to rely on crossbows.&nbsp; THAT's gimped.&nbsp; You also seem to forget that the Paladin still has plenty of options in this scenario - more than a Wizard vs. a Golem or barbarian vs. an ooze.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tintagel, post: 4481921, member: 42161"] You could be a contortionist at how much you are stretching... Perhaps if you put that same amount of gold and effort into 4E characters, you would solve the Paladin Has No Armor for One Night Crisis. We have had only one rogue use wands, and he had a 16 charisma. Other rogue builds found it too costly, unreliable, and frankly were happy to have the wizard do it for them. By this same logic, 4E paladins can multiclass or take Rituals. Traps take TIME to craft. Read your PHB on crafting times. A simple sword takes Days.... This isn't WoW and you aren't playing your Survival Hunter. Crystals are optional and often overpowered to begin with. Once you open up splatbooks 6 years into the development of an edition as the reason why a previous edition is better - you get into grey territory. A DM could jsut make crystals in 4E that give a +6 armor bonus right? You didn't have crystals 3 months into 3rd Edition. Look, it's pointless to debate because you aren't looking at the Tons of examples that even WOTC developers gave about previous editions being UNFUN with characters being able to do nothing. 1st level Wizards shouldn't have to rely on crossbows. THAT's gimped. You also seem to forget that the Paladin still has plenty of options in this scenario - more than a Wizard vs. a Golem or barbarian vs. an ooze. [/QUOTE]

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