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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6348822" data-attributes="member: 87792">Two&nbsp; levels of fighter was enough IME (admittedly this counts starting with&nbsp; max hit points at first level - and I rolled an 8 when levelling up) -&nbsp; 2d10 hit points off the first two levels and being a dagger specialist&nbsp; meant you could scythe through the enemy at range or even hurt them in&nbsp; melee.&nbsp; Yes, daggers weren't quite as broken as darts at range,&nbsp; but they were more flexible.&nbsp; And the player of the elven Magic&nbsp; User/Fighter/Thief who'd been laughing at me turned green with envy when&nbsp; I hit level 3 as a mage before he was either a level 2 mage or a level 3&nbsp; thief, and then proceeded to remind him exactly why the party had&nbsp; missed my human fighter when I switched classes.&nbsp; That said I've not&nbsp; played much dungeon crawling at all beyond level 5.Pure clues in this thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />All good things that need doing for balance <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />And&nbsp; on the more recent post, agreed that 3d6 didn't work.&nbsp; But &quot;How useful&nbsp; is a high level PC vs a high level MU in actual play?&quot;&nbsp; It should be a&nbsp; bit of an apples to oranges comparison; the fighter's opposite number is&nbsp; the cleric, and the wizard's the thief.&nbsp; If combat is reached the&nbsp; fighter should win - but with spells like Invisibility and Fly the wizard has tools to ensure that happens a whole lot less.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6348822, member: 87792"] Two levels of fighter was enough IME (admittedly this counts starting with max hit points at first level - and I rolled an 8 when levelling up) - 2d10 hit points off the first two levels and being a dagger specialist meant you could scythe through the enemy at range or even hurt them in melee. Yes, daggers weren't [I]quite[/I] as broken as darts at range, but they were more flexible. And the player of the elven Magic User/Fighter/Thief who'd been laughing at me turned green with envy when I hit level 3 as a mage before he was either a level 2 mage or a level 3 thief, and then proceeded to remind him exactly why the party had missed my human fighter when I switched classes. That said I've not played much dungeon crawling at all beyond level 5. Pure clues in this thread :D All good things that need doing for balance :) And on the more recent post, agreed that 3d6 didn't work. But "How useful is a high level PC vs a high level MU in actual play?" It should be a bit of an apples to oranges comparison; the fighter's opposite number is the cleric, and the wizard's the thief. If combat is reached the fighter should win - but with spells like [I]Invisibility[/I] and [I]Fly[/I] the wizard has tools to ensure that happens a whole lot less. [/QUOTE]

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