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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 8553665" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>A rough estimate of organized crime in the US is about 850k in youth gangs. That includes the 3 in 5 who are adults.</p><p></p><p>Assuming another 150k in other organized crimes is probable... putting the ratio about 1 per 350 or so. BUT...</p><p>that's with the current 1.3% farmers.  90% of pre-19th century were farmers... a number stable at least as far back as the Domesday census of England.</p><p></p><p>So, since most of those gangs are urban, and 5/6 of the US are urban... ... that ups the ratio to about 1 per 300 urban dwellers.</p><p>This should vary by culture - the more authoritarian, the more organized crime. Peak rates run to aboput 1 in 50; above that, the parasitic effect is too strong and everyone starves. Minimum rates should be about 1/10, but figures on that are harder to figure.</p><p></p><p>So, from 1 per 3000 in an absolute democracy with a culture of honesty and fair enforcement of law, to about 1 in 100 for autocratic despotic cultures with no cultural traditions of honesty....</p><p></p><p>Of course, there's also the D&D solution in 3.X    DMG...</p><p></p><p>1d8+6 for each of two "trees" - with 2x as many at half the level in each.</p><p>So a tree with a roll of 1 on the d8 is 1×7th, 2×4th, 4×2nd, 8×1st</p><p>A tree with an 8 on it is 1×14th, 2×7th, 4×4th, 8×2nd, 16×1st</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 8553665, member: 6779310"] A rough estimate of organized crime in the US is about 850k in youth gangs. That includes the 3 in 5 who are adults. Assuming another 150k in other organized crimes is probable... putting the ratio about 1 per 350 or so. BUT... that's with the current 1.3% farmers. 90% of pre-19th century were farmers... a number stable at least as far back as the Domesday census of England. So, since most of those gangs are urban, and 5/6 of the US are urban... ... that ups the ratio to about 1 per 300 urban dwellers. This should vary by culture - the more authoritarian, the more organized crime. Peak rates run to aboput 1 in 50; above that, the parasitic effect is too strong and everyone starves. Minimum rates should be about 1/10, but figures on that are harder to figure. So, from 1 per 3000 in an absolute democracy with a culture of honesty and fair enforcement of law, to about 1 in 100 for autocratic despotic cultures with no cultural traditions of honesty.... Of course, there's also the D&D solution in 3.X DMG... 1d8+6 for each of two "trees" - with 2x as many at half the level in each. So a tree with a roll of 1 on the d8 is 1×7th, 2×4th, 4×2nd, 8×1st A tree with an 8 on it is 1×14th, 2×7th, 4×4th, 8×2nd, 16×1st [/QUOTE]
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