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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 3200425" data-attributes="member: 11760">I'm not in love with the ELH, but there is a logic to it that they spell out quite clearly in the book: After 20, the disparities between classes will mean there are classes that essentially just break down without the baseline being reset with the BAB and saving throw changes. That's pretty logical and, since it's spread across every class, quite internal as well.The new spell systems and wirefu applications of skills don't follow the same logic, but they really both look like alternate systems bolted onto the basic epic level logic. That said, I think throwing away spells above 9th level and Greek mythic hero skill checks leaves one with a very simple set of guidelines on how to adjudicate the odd level 24 NPC and the like.</blockquote>