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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cjais" data-source="post: 4604417" data-attributes="member: 65394">Yeah, oops! I noticed too late that I misread your graph.  All good points, but again, contingent on getting a specific feat, as well as using the right equipment. If you aren't using both a sword and shield, this won't work. Not to mention you have to be at least level 11 before you can take HBO.  My point is, while a sufficiently high level figher, with the right selection of feats and equipment can seriously mess with your monsters mobility (as they damn well should), that shouldn't stop you from trying to get by them completely. Hell, he might not even hit. And in the meantime, if that monster does manage to get into the wizard's face (which as you proved, is not assured), it'll just be more fun for everyone. The fighter will have done his best to stop it from happening, and the wizard will be in actual danger. EDIT: Forgot to say that while Shield Push only works on the Combat Challenge attacks (if the monster shifts), HBO only works on OAs (if the monster walks). Thus, if the fighter wants to make sure that he can always push the monster if it tries something (and he hits), he needs both feats.</blockquote>