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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5979839" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>OK. Let's analyse what you are saying here.</p><p> </p><p>Your first paragraph is a complaint about political correctness. Political correctness is merely another name for politeness. And yes, politeness can be used to shut discussions down - but not half as often as it opens them up.</p><p> </p><p>And you've slid in a second rhetorical disguise here. "Not D&D" isn't a substantive criticism unless we have a clear definition as to what D&D is, making your entire last sentence irrelevant. As was made obvious when [MENTION=40398]Tequila Sunrise[/MENTION] tried to produce some ridiculous examples they thought weren't D&D and it was pointed out that even such extreme examples were parts of D&D in some fairly well known books.</p><p> </p><p>Your second sentence isn't that impressive either. Sometimes it is better to ignore coded insults. And sometimes that happens. But there is a difference between ignoring someone being brash, and ignoring a systematic insult that appears time and time again. Respond to the brash politely, and it often takes the heat out of the discussion. On the other hand let a systematic insult go by time and time again and it becomes seen as acceptable. Which doesn't prevent it being a slur. But when it's seen as acceptable is precisely when it needs fighting the most.</p><p> </p><p>So, yes there are times to be impolite. Yes, there are times to let impoliteness pass. But allowing someone to get away with conversation-spoiling slurs with very little substance is not one of them, especially if someone thinks they are substantive. At least if you have the energy to spend on elfgames at all.</p><p> </p><p>You have the choice not to be dragged into sidebars like this. You can do it easily - all you have to do is stick to substantive points and not say anything along the lines of "Not D&D" or "Not an RPG".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5979839, member: 87792"] OK. Let's analyse what you are saying here. Your first paragraph is a complaint about political correctness. Political correctness is merely another name for politeness. And yes, politeness can be used to shut discussions down - but not half as often as it opens them up. And you've slid in a second rhetorical disguise here. "Not D&D" isn't a substantive criticism unless we have a clear definition as to what D&D is, making your entire last sentence irrelevant. As was made obvious when [MENTION=40398]Tequila Sunrise[/MENTION] tried to produce some ridiculous examples they thought weren't D&D and it was pointed out that even such extreme examples were parts of D&D in some fairly well known books. Your second sentence isn't that impressive either. Sometimes it is better to ignore coded insults. And sometimes that happens. But there is a difference between ignoring someone being brash, and ignoring a systematic insult that appears time and time again. Respond to the brash politely, and it often takes the heat out of the discussion. On the other hand let a systematic insult go by time and time again and it becomes seen as acceptable. Which doesn't prevent it being a slur. But when it's seen as acceptable is precisely when it needs fighting the most. So, yes there are times to be impolite. Yes, there are times to let impoliteness pass. But allowing someone to get away with conversation-spoiling slurs with very little substance is not one of them, especially if someone thinks they are substantive. At least if you have the energy to spend on elfgames at all. You have the choice not to be dragged into sidebars like this. You can do it easily - all you have to do is stick to substantive points and not say anything along the lines of "Not D&D" or "Not an RPG". [/QUOTE]
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