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<blockquote data-quote="innerdude" data-source="post: 5980048" data-attributes="member: 85870"><p>I'll tell BadApple what I told someone else: </p><p></p><p>You don't want D&D. </p><p></p><p>You want Fantasy Craft. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>(Slaughtered sacred cows, new takes on old mechanics, rebalanced classes, and so forth and so on). </p><p></p><p>Seriously. </p><p></p><p>But back to the topic at hand: </p><p></p><p>I actually posted a thread a couple of months ago that echoed very similar sentiments to BadApple, about not wanting D&D to be so beholden to its past. </p><p></p><p>I think now I've changed my mind---let D&D be as "D&D" as it wants to be. If "being D&D" is the most important thing to WotC's core audience, then they should absolutely create a game that meets that need. </p><p></p><p>Some of it has simply been the realization that despite appearances, I'm actually not really part of WotC's "core audience" for D&D Next. On the surface, I should be--never made the switch to 4e, went with Pathfinder, and as a result should be "woo-able" back to the D&D fold. </p><p></p><p>The problem for WotC now is that I've discovered when it comes down to it, I actually don't particularly like most of what makes D&D, "D&D" (and yes, Pathfinder too). I've discovered I flat out hate Vancian casting. I dislike the armor class rules. I am at best indifferent to most of the HP / healing mechanics. Given the choice, I'd rather have a bell-curve probability distribution than a flat one. In some ways, I'm probably Wizards of the Coast's worst-case-scenario--going from a devout "D&D only!" disciple during 3.5, to looking around for other "partners" during 4e, to actively not caring for D&D's general "thematics" having now been exposed to other systems. </p><p></p><p>It was just a stark realization that really, I just want a game that gives me an excellent RPG experience without having to put up with D&D "crutches." And luckily for me, there's no end of those currently on the market.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="innerdude, post: 5980048, member: 85870"] I'll tell BadApple what I told someone else: You don't want D&D. You want Fantasy Craft. :) (Slaughtered sacred cows, new takes on old mechanics, rebalanced classes, and so forth and so on). Seriously. But back to the topic at hand: I actually posted a thread a couple of months ago that echoed very similar sentiments to BadApple, about not wanting D&D to be so beholden to its past. I think now I've changed my mind---let D&D be as "D&D" as it wants to be. If "being D&D" is the most important thing to WotC's core audience, then they should absolutely create a game that meets that need. Some of it has simply been the realization that despite appearances, I'm actually not really part of WotC's "core audience" for D&D Next. On the surface, I should be--never made the switch to 4e, went with Pathfinder, and as a result should be "woo-able" back to the D&D fold. The problem for WotC now is that I've discovered when it comes down to it, I actually don't particularly like most of what makes D&D, "D&D" (and yes, Pathfinder too). I've discovered I flat out hate Vancian casting. I dislike the armor class rules. I am at best indifferent to most of the HP / healing mechanics. Given the choice, I'd rather have a bell-curve probability distribution than a flat one. In some ways, I'm probably Wizards of the Coast's worst-case-scenario--going from a devout "D&D only!" disciple during 3.5, to looking around for other "partners" during 4e, to actively not caring for D&D's general "thematics" having now been exposed to other systems. It was just a stark realization that really, I just want a game that gives me an excellent RPG experience without having to put up with D&D "crutches." And luckily for me, there's no end of those currently on the market. [/QUOTE]
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