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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5985600" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Well, it attacked refelex, inflicted force damage, and had no long range, for starters. It was also an implement power, so interacted with feats and a variety of other rules differently. A ranger 'shooting a bow,' could also use any number of different powers, from an RBA to Twin Strike to Spit the Tree and beyond, so that's kinda a big difference, too. Huge, in fact. A ranger shooting a bow is pretty likely to be making two or more attack rolls, which Magic Missile didn't do, and could even be a close blast.</p><p></p><p>So, really, very, very different. </p><p></p><p>A few. How many classic spells can be summed up as "do 1d6/level damage to some creatures." A few. How many monster attacks could be summed up as claw/claw/bite for some damage? Tons. How much of d20 could be summed up as "roll a d20 vs a DC?" Most of it. </p><p></p><p>You're making no point at all. In order to make a two things seem 'the same' you /strip away the things that make them different/. The fact that you have to strip things away, proves, categorically, that your premise is false, and they are, undeniably, different.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you didn't. If your premise, that spells and exploits are 'indistinguishable' were true, then simply removing the source keyword, name, fluff, and class/level would be all that you'd need to remove. </p><p></p><p>Next time, try prayers, they at least mix weapon and implement.</p><p></p><p>Actually, there are [W] spells.</p><p></p><p>Being 'called' a spell means that a power is arcane. Swapping the arcane keyword, alone, would mean it was no longer called a spell. Find a spell that, swapping out /only/ the arcane keyword, is identical to an exploit. Post the spell and the exploit. Or a retraction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5985600, member: 996"] Well, it attacked refelex, inflicted force damage, and had no long range, for starters. It was also an implement power, so interacted with feats and a variety of other rules differently. A ranger 'shooting a bow,' could also use any number of different powers, from an RBA to Twin Strike to Spit the Tree and beyond, so that's kinda a big difference, too. Huge, in fact. A ranger shooting a bow is pretty likely to be making two or more attack rolls, which Magic Missile didn't do, and could even be a close blast. So, really, very, very different. A few. How many classic spells can be summed up as "do 1d6/level damage to some creatures." A few. How many monster attacks could be summed up as claw/claw/bite for some damage? Tons. How much of d20 could be summed up as "roll a d20 vs a DC?" Most of it. You're making no point at all. In order to make a two things seem 'the same' you /strip away the things that make them different/. The fact that you have to strip things away, proves, categorically, that your premise is false, and they are, undeniably, different. No, you didn't. If your premise, that spells and exploits are 'indistinguishable' were true, then simply removing the source keyword, name, fluff, and class/level would be all that you'd need to remove. Next time, try prayers, they at least mix weapon and implement. Actually, there are [W] spells. Being 'called' a spell means that a power is arcane. Swapping the arcane keyword, alone, would mean it was no longer called a spell. Find a spell that, swapping out /only/ the arcane keyword, is identical to an exploit. Post the spell and the exploit. Or a retraction. [/QUOTE]
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