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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 9763877" data-attributes="member: 54629">Charisma makes tons of sense for Investigation in a social context. I tend to go with Charisma (Investigation) as a substitute for the old Gather Information skill. But Charisma (Investigation) for finding secret doors? Yeah, nah. I got nothing.EDIT: So I put it to ChatGPT. Here are some of its better suggestions:<h3>Charisma-based Investigation Justifications</h3>1. Talking the Dungeon Into Giving Up Its Secrets<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You "interrogate" the stonework, muttering threats, flattery, or warlocky banter at the walls.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mechanically, you’re using force of personality to stay persuasive and commanding even while searching.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">“C’mon, you smug block of granite. I know you’ve got hinges somewhere. Show me your tricks!”</li> </ul>2. Inspiring Cooperation<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You hype up your less perceptive buddies with a little motivational speech.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mechanically: you’re using Charisma to organize the group’s clumsy search efforts more effectively. You don’t see the crack yourself, but you get others looking in the right way.</li> </ul>3. Warlock-y “Attune to the Vibe”<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lean on your pact fluff. You don’t spot doors by raw logic—you “feel” where the dungeon is hiding something, projecting confidence into the search.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Could be flavored as your patron subtly nudging you toward the right stones, but your Charisma is what makes you receptive enough to catch those whispers.</li> </ul>4. The Con Artist Approach<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You treat the dungeon like a mark. Secret doors are “lying” to you, pretending to be walls. You’re trained in spotting when people are bluffing, so you extend that instinct to architecture.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Charisma fuels your knack for detecting when something isn’t quite selling its act.</li> </ul><h3>How I’d Pitch It to the DM</h3>Something like:That way, you’re not just saying “I want my +4 instead of -1,” you’re tying it into character and table fun.</blockquote>

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