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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Domstrae" data-source="post: 4789020" data-attributes="member: 74971">Sigh the whole staff thing is sorted. Someone saying a weapon is enchanted as an impliment but not a weapon has to explain why a sword mage can use a sword as an impliment and a weapon even though those are all enchanted as weapons too. Clearly a quarterstaff with weapon type staff is the same principal as a glaive being a sword and a halbred as a sword mage impliment. I digress. We as a group agree it is and this is just a quick and easy houserule. I'll try and ask my next question in another context to get my answer then. I did not know about focused expertise. I suppose though all I need is impliment expertise so its all good. Can I still use weapon focus staff for the damage. I know a question very similar to this was green lighted ( I think directly related to eladrin and long swords and indirectly related to quarterstaves)So definitely with paragon paths you have to be able to use an impliment rooted with the base class?  Are there no examples of paragon paths that don't have a root class that use impliments? How would they resolve?</blockquote>