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<blockquote data-quote="BlivetWidget" data-source="post: 7839240" data-attributes="member: 6912801">[USER=1095]@Salthorae[/USER] I would still describe the XGE rules as 35-70 days.&nbsp; Just because only 25-50 of those days are active tutelage doesn't mean the student doesn't have homework on the weekends or need time to process the information...&nbsp; Anyway, 35-70 days to learn a language is actually a crazy pants long time for a game system that expects you to go from zero to demigod hero in 84 adventuring days!(That's not my preferred timescale, and I know it's not yours either, I'm just pointing out what's there).On the other hand, the languages in DnD may have more in common than we realize.&nbsp; My wife knows enough Spanish and French that she can read Italian reasonably well without any sort of education in it.&nbsp; I don't doubt she could be fully literate in Italian in less than 10 weeks if she was able to spend 40 hours a week on it.As for tools, I taught myself dip pen calligraphy in a handful of weeks.&nbsp; Am I great at it?&nbsp; No, but I'm much better than someone with no practice.&nbsp; I would say I have proficiency but not expertise, if we want to use game terms.&nbsp; I think what you're calling professional-level proficiency would be better mirrored by what DnD calls expertise, rather than proficiency (though as far as I know, there's no tool expertise - a discussion for another time).Don't get me started on how difficult it is for a wizard to get arcana expertise, though!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BlivetWidget, post: 7839240, member: 6912801"] [USER=1095]@Salthorae[/USER] I would still describe the XGE rules as 35-70 days. Just because only 25-50 of those days are active tutelage doesn't mean the student doesn't have homework on the weekends or need time to process the information... Anyway, 35-70 days to learn a language is actually a crazy pants [I]long [/I]time for a game system that expects you to go from zero to demigod hero in 84 adventuring days! (That's not my preferred timescale, and I know it's not yours either, I'm just pointing out what's there). On the other hand, the languages in DnD may have more in common than we realize. My wife knows enough Spanish and French that she can read Italian reasonably well without any sort of education in it. I don't doubt she could be fully literate in Italian in less than 10 weeks if she was able to spend 40 hours a week on it. As for tools, I taught myself dip pen calligraphy in a handful of weeks. Am I great at it? No, but I'm much better than someone with no practice. I would say I have proficiency but not expertise, if we want to use game terms. I think what you're calling professional-level proficiency would be better mirrored by what DnD calls expertise, rather than proficiency (though as far as I know, there's no tool expertise - a discussion for another time). Don't get me started on how difficult it is for a wizard to get arcana expertise, though! [/QUOTE]

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