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Message: <blockquote data-quote="malcolypse" data-source="post: 5243029" data-attributes="member: 92042">they don't call me party killer because of my winning smile.  first and third examples, take the party members involved in combat to a back room. tell them they're outnumbered and abandonned by their friends. have an opponent offer to let them surrender, or they have to duke it out and wait for reinforcements that may not come in time. that way, if they get themselves killed, it's their choice and you don't have to feel guilty.  also, a captured party member forces the others to enter the fray or roleplay out a cool interaction to somehow save their friend.  second example, it's an animal with a very limited repetoire of reactions to stimuli. if it has a victim dead to rights, it will try to sting and claw it until it stops moving, or run away if the situation changes dramatically. period. you shouldn't feel guilty about a reasonable action in the situation being lethal. if they abandon a friend to a horrible monster, they're not very good friends and they should fall apart as a party when they realize it. assuming any of them survive. as a player, i once murdered a party member who continually betrayed our party over several months of real and game time. she stole from the party on multiple occasions, sold the party into slavery to avoid offending an amazon hunting party (for about six million gold worth of jewels, which she split equally with the party, minus the 40 percent that she decided she was owed for getting us all this money, which the dm took away after it was carefully explained to him why he shouldn't have given our fifth level party six million gold), and let a party member die to prove to us how valuable an asset she was after we complained to her. that night she fell down the stairs of her keep and onto a rapier. the other players were horrified (except the betrayer, who saw it coming a mile away ooc)that i had done this terrible thing, and it cost me my alignment, but the other pc's agreed that a hero's funeral was a better idea than a resurrection. eventually, a pc in game will take care of it, or a player will express their lack of fun at being the party decoy and leave the game, and in either case it should be dealt with as soon as you see the problem brewing instead.</blockquote>

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