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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 169200" data-attributes="member: 2723">Well, then you've drawn totally wrong conclusions from recent events.  What're settlers supposed to do if the enemy marches an army into the territories they've occupied? Dying is about all they'll be able to accomplish. You need armies to take and HOLD territory as another poster said. Settlers are no good at all for holding territory. They can OCCUPY it, sure. But they can't HOLD it. For that you need bases, armed garrisons, etc.    Even in D&D relying on powerful adventuring groups rather than armies is stupid. First of all, you're relying on a handful of individuals, rather than thousands. What's to stop an assassin from poisoning their food or slitting their throats as they sleep? Whoops, there goes the entire adventuring party the king was relying on, while the enemy kings armies are rampaging across his territory.  Second, adventurers can't be everywhere at once. While they're on one battlefield, an enemy king can have his armies attacking other parts of the kingdom, destroys the capital, and topples the king.  Third, a half-dozen individuals simply CAN'T defeat an army. And I hope you realize that soldiers increase in level, too. Not every army is made up of 1st level warriors. Soldiers which see action often will naturally gain experience and go up in level. So the adventurers may in fact be facing hordes of 6th level Fighters, not hordes of 1st level Warriors (which even THEN aren't that easy to defeat). And unless you've got feats like Great Cleave and Whirlwind Attack, a horde of lower level warriors can overwhelm even the most powerful adventurers. (Remember, flankers get +2 to hit) Nevermind Grapple! It's a touch attack, so most of the adventurer's AC goes out the window. Yeah, the adventurer will get an AoO, but only 1. More if he has Combat Reflexes, but he'll more than likely be facing 8 grapple attempts a round. So even with Combat Reflexes, unless he's got an insanely high Dex, he won't be able to get an AoO on them all. And should he get pinned, everyone attacking him gets a +4 to hit, while he gets no Dex bonus, and all he can try to do is attempt to break the Grapple.  And even if the AC of the adventurers is really high, a 20 always hits. When you got, say, 200 archers shooting at you, you're gonna get hit an average of 40 times! 40 arrow hits a round adds up FAST! (180 points of damage on average a round) And that's assuming they don't have the Rapid Shot Feat, which'll let them shoot TWICE a round!  And finally, it's not as if there's a shortage of high-level adventurers. What happens if the enemy king has EQUALLY powerful adventurers working for him? Sort of negate each other, wouldn't they?  Sorry, but even in D&D, armies are still vital to the survival of kingdoms and to the success of wars. Adventurers are very useful, but their role is more like that of special forces units. They CERTAINLY can't face whole armies on the field of battle and expect to win.</blockquote>

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