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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 169512" data-attributes="member: 891">No I'm assuming an open battle field where I have 5000 archers and a horde of footmen plus several hundred cavalry on one side, plus a few dozen low level clerics (1-5 level) and a like number of mages of similar levels. Probably a few dozen of other classes as well.On the other side I've got 5 PCs in the 15+ level range.They aren't going to win innitiave against my entire army...And even if they do it's likely I'll still get in several thousand shots before rounds end.They're all over there on their side of the field, presenting a nice handy target.Assume a range of 500 feet. Many of the PCs spells will be useless in round one. My archers though will still hit with their 20s. Though I will lose the 19 rollers with the +1 BAB; which means I will only do 300 points of damage in round one. Which will destroy the two defensive spells and leave 150 points of damage that the PC takes.There's no round 2...Can the archers all target them? Well if you form them up right you can get them all into a position where they can. If they know they're coming into a battle against only 5 opponents, they'll do it.But of course the more likely scenerio is they send in a few rogue in the middle of the night...However assuming we ever do put an entire army against 5 PCs, the PCs don't stand a chance.This is all assuming that I can't field ANY longbow or crossbowmen. Which is unlikely.While Longbowmen are expensive and require a lot of training; I can get a horde of peasants for the crossbowmen. While the crossbowmen will be a bit more expensive than the shortbowmen; I will be able to field enough to vastly alter the above number in my favor once again.</blockquote>

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