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<blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7441080" data-attributes="member: 6895991">Charm and hold spells in former Editions were at least as powerful. In AD&amp;D2nd even the lowly 1st Level sleep was such a killer that along with 1st Level charm Person and 2nd Level hold Person i either houseruled them to be not available or immediately dispelled when soemone only intended to attack an PC or mob under this spell. (So no autohit)Problem is they were instakillers, an effect which you could not produce that reliable with soem 7th or 8th Level spells.For your specific Problem: I see no Problem with mass Suggesting the PCs&nbsp; to leave/ flee. Make sure the Scenario is composed in a way that Players making their saves see it will go against the Odds even with full Group, so they follow their beguiled comrades.Other than that be very strict that charms normally do not work against fundamental interests like self preservation / attacking a friend or at least grant a saving throw in These Events.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coroc, post: 7441080, member: 6895991"] Charm and hold spells in former Editions were at least as powerful. In AD&D2nd even the lowly 1st Level sleep was such a killer that along with 1st Level charm Person and 2nd Level hold Person i either houseruled them to be not available or immediately dispelled when soemone only intended to attack an PC or mob under this spell. (So no autohit) Problem is they were instakillers, an effect which you could not produce that reliable with soem 7th or 8th Level spells. For your specific Problem: I see no Problem with mass Suggesting the PCs to leave/ flee. Make sure the Scenario is composed in a way that Players making their saves see it will go against the Odds even with full Group, so they follow their beguiled comrades. Other than that be very strict that charms normally do not work against fundamental interests like self preservation / attacking a friend or at least grant a saving throw in These Events. [/QUOTE]

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