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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8091708" data-attributes="member: 16814">This explanation is orthogonal to the discussion about whether players should be asking for ability checks (or skill checks, if you prefer).  I know this because I do this, and just got strongly contested in a different thread for suggesting that no myth or light myth games are possible in 5e.  I don't allow players to ask for ability checks AND I rarely have prep to stick to, much less throw out, because I'm already following the fiction.  This style of play isn't enabled by letting players ask for skill checks, it works with or without it.Primarily, the difference I see is that I create fiction in game in response to player actions, you do it when the players ask for a roll and then roll well enough (or poorly enough).  There's a bit of an important difference, here, in how we approach the same goal, but that goal doesn't justify either approach, nor does it uniquely enable it.  I think there's a pretty big difference in what's generated, though, in that your approach it's the GM that introduces whatever the GM wants when prompted, where I introduce either fiction that aligns with the goal of the PC's action if they succeed or is opposed to it if they fail.  The difference, as it appears to me, is who's interests are being served.As for your last, that's a weird thing to say.  It sets up like a strawman, but has just enough plausible deniability because you didn't explicitly say anyone thinks differently.  So, either it's a banal non-sequitur statement of agreement (I don't think anyone actually disagrees with this statement at all) or it's a cloaked strawman intending to suggest I don't think players should use their skills.  I assure you, the later is highly incorrect -- ability checks and therefore skill use is the engine of my game -- it's the crux of play.  I love my players using skills, and they gets miles out of them.  Heck, my alt game right now is Blades, which is entirely skill based, so, yeah, a weird thing to say.</blockquote>

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