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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Phantarch" data-source="post: 6770269" data-attributes="member: 6801685">You know, my personal experience (which is statistically a VERY narrow pool, so YMMV) has been that people who don't enjoy optimizing (or the aspect of combing through books to find synergistic rules and comparing statistical outcomes) still appreciate their character being as good as it can be and accept assistance with their character. Several of the people I play with like just coming up with the concept, but then will discuss it with those of us who enjoy optimizing. This sort of falls in line with what was mentioned above of optimizing suboptimal builds, but it usually just falls into asking, "What do you want your character to be and do?" and then offering suggestions that help make that successful. Sometimes people make suboptimal choices because they don't know or don't have the patience to figure it out. Usually, just asking why a choice was made is all that matters. If they have a reason for their character to have done so, leave it be. If it was a choice made from misunderstanding, they usually appreciate having that pointed out and being given options that will better help them realize their character.A classic example would be a player who wants to play a grappler character, so they take the Grappler feat. Most of the players I know who don't like to optimize would appreciate it being pointed out that this really doesn't help them fulfill their concept, and they'd be better off with...well, about anything.</blockquote>

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