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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheNovaLord" data-source="post: 5027155" data-attributes="member: 31097">somewhat less than 3e/4e-I want it to be so i dont need anything electronic to make a character sheet, in a decent time.-i dont need to print out power cards, and have 15 in front of me when im only 5th level- i dont need a nicely laminated stack of condition cards and a pile of colured buttons/markers AND still need to track hp with a pencil seperately.3rd has some pretty complex BIG maths.... i have 4 iterative attacks against something with 50% concealment...too much dice and numbers4th has lots of simple SMALL maths....you get +1 to this for a round unless saves x 6 PC's....if you ever watch a 4th ed game the number of little +1's missed by all racks up, even if everyone has cards and coloured markers for everything.BUT slightly more choices/additions than AD&D/BECMII never played 2nd as i play non D&D for that 10 year stretch</blockquote>