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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5028434" data-attributes="member: 43019"><p>I don't think that naturally follows - you used True20 as an example of a simpler system and it's still got a fair amount of complexity to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of those, I'm not familiar with Harn. I largely agree with you on those being in a similar ballpark. I actually thought Rolemaster was specifically _more_ complex, which is why I mentioned that, and I'm hard pressed to think of many others that are more complex. I'd say it's actually very easy to play a game of GURPS that is less complex than 3e so I'm surprised you chose that as your example of _more_ complex for instance.</p><p></p><p>Either way, that's a list of games I'm _not_ excited to play specifically because I've decided their complexity is not worthwhile to me, as a DM or player, anymore. At one time I was more into them - specifically when I was in college and did _lots of math for fun_ <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p>I wouldn't say significantly, but I would say less complex nonetheless. If they'd done a better job with conditions and some of the character building stuff maybe I'd grant them that, but they didn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not actually trying to. I'm much more academically curious. </p><p></p><p>I've never played D6 Star Wars, never had a good group for Call of Cthulhu, and have grown tired of Storyteller systems. I could probably be convinced to do the latter, but basically I've played enough bad games in them that I find it hard to really get interested. Some new groups wanting to give Changeling a whirl, maybe I could reawaken some interest, dunno. That said, storyteller was _very_ popular for a long time as the simpler more RP option to 2nd edition, and 2nd edition itself is less complex than 3rd edition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keterys, post: 5028434, member: 43019"] I don't think that naturally follows - you used True20 as an example of a simpler system and it's still got a fair amount of complexity to it. Of those, I'm not familiar with Harn. I largely agree with you on those being in a similar ballpark. I actually thought Rolemaster was specifically _more_ complex, which is why I mentioned that, and I'm hard pressed to think of many others that are more complex. I'd say it's actually very easy to play a game of GURPS that is less complex than 3e so I'm surprised you chose that as your example of _more_ complex for instance. Either way, that's a list of games I'm _not_ excited to play specifically because I've decided their complexity is not worthwhile to me, as a DM or player, anymore. At one time I was more into them - specifically when I was in college and did _lots of math for fun_ :) I wouldn't say significantly, but I would say less complex nonetheless. If they'd done a better job with conditions and some of the character building stuff maybe I'd grant them that, but they didn't. I'm not actually trying to. I'm much more academically curious. I've never played D6 Star Wars, never had a good group for Call of Cthulhu, and have grown tired of Storyteller systems. I could probably be convinced to do the latter, but basically I've played enough bad games in them that I find it hard to really get interested. Some new groups wanting to give Changeling a whirl, maybe I could reawaken some interest, dunno. That said, storyteller was _very_ popular for a long time as the simpler more RP option to 2nd edition, and 2nd edition itself is less complex than 3rd edition. [/QUOTE]
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